The Reverser and The Programmer

Strazzere

2008-12-14

TEAM RES, TEAM RESURRECTiON, algorithms, codvirtualizer, dumb programmers, execryptor, funny, program protections, purebasic, uncrackable?

Some definite interesting stuff over at the purebasic forums, I found it quiet funny slash hillarious since I’ve had a chance to talk to some of the TEAM RESURRECTiON members before. The primary link is someone named utopiamania who is claiming he the following
“antipiracy code inside the program is meant to be obfuscated and nearly uncrackable”
Some, well, I guess you could say, “memorable” quotes I find sort of funny are the following:

You just need to accept this fact: SND, Resurrection, ARTEAM, and others WILL unpack your software.

Another is well put by locomotion;

Uninstall Tool. ExeCryptor, full protection, and Sunbeam over at {RES} has nailed it EVERY build, EVERY Time. 2) Smart Diary Suite. Themidia, Full SDK protection, and quesago unpacked it and nailed it. 3) Any FlexM protected App. Black Riders, LineZero, or Crude shred these apps. 4) SND Request board. Almost all the tough apps usually end up there, and there is no shortage of talent and drive to crack them. I’m telling you. If you think you can outsmart {RES} BRD, CRD, Lz0, SND, CORE, SSG, FFF - you are dreaming. Your protection would probably stop quite alot of crackers. However, you simply cannot beat them ALL. FOCUS on your APPLICATION and its QUALITY. A few timebombs here and there, and multipart serials (see my example) will get your average cracker and their releases will be “nuked” for a while. However, if you actively try and create challenges and animosity to your app, you will go down in flames and the crackers will put you in your place. I reverse engineer all the time, and so do many people on this board. Trust us when we tell you that cracking your app can and will be done. However, if you do it right, you can MINIMIZE the damage done. EVERY ship in the world takes on some water!!! The best ships are DESIGNED to MINIMIZE the damage that it can do, and can HANDLE the challenges. The same is true with your business plan. Expect to be cracked, and ADAPT accordingly with minimal time and cost.

The oh so knowledgable utopiamania thus responded with;

Quote: I’m telling you. If you think you can outsmart {RES} BRD, CRD, Lz0, SND, CORE, SSG, FFF - you are dreaming. I can’t outsmart them, but these protectors I mentioned do it 99.999999999999% of the time. It’s important that people realise this and don’t give up. Very good protection is available nowadays. Quote: I reverse engineer all the time, and so do many people on this board Shure you do, but none of you can reverse engineer an app protected by say code virtualizer. Smile

I guess it’s developers like this guy that the protector companies make all their money off of? Oh well, I guess it’d be sad if the protectors all lost their jobs… There is even a big shout out to Sunbeam and LaFarge of {RES}

Sunbeam is probably the best EXECrytor reverser out there. Period. Lafarge is another dynamite reverser as well. Trust me. I know their work from other boards. The Team SND request forum has about the toughest protected apps out there, and they, along with quite a few others, continually defeat these protections. Anyone here with reversing experience will at least know of these guys, or the Teams they come from. If you think you are going to beat the combined knowledge of {RES}, SND, AT4RE, CRD, BRD, Unpack.cn, ect, you are kidding yourself. Focus on your PRODUCT and make it not SUCK. Then people will WANT to buy it. The perfect example here is PureBasic itself. Sure, there are pirated versions out there, but I and a ton of other people loved it so much we WANTED to buy a legit version. Fred has an amazing product, and as a result, people actually BUY it. His protection is very simple and doesnt get in the way a single bit for registered users. You have no idea how much I love him for that, as do most other people. Take AVS Video tools and other Themidia protected apps. If I have Acronis Trueimage running before I start up AVS, Themedia REFUSES to let me run AVS because of a “monitor” tool. And I paid for Acronis. Screw AVS for that, and they lost me as a customer.

Bravo localmotion, atleast someone understands how the world works! [sigh] - Sadly for now it ends on utopiamania sort of “claiming” victory with this final post;

That said, nothing posted here has convinced me to abandon either CodeVirtualizer or ExeCryptor as my tools of choice to protect it from criminals as soon as it hits the streets. Razz

I wonder how fast that program will be torn to shreds?